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	<title>Comments on: Converting LibreOffice dialogs to .ui format, 100 conversions milestone</title>
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	<description>babblings!</description>
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		<title>By: LibreOffice 4.0: The big changes will be under the hood &#124; nano Geek</title>
		<link>http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2013/01/24/converting-libreoffice-dialogs-to-ui-format-100-conversions-milestone/comment-page-1/#comment-233972</link>
		<dc:creator>LibreOffice 4.0: The big changes will be under the hood &#124; nano Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 06:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tje API change, LibreOffice is moving to a new graphics stack. This is based on GtkBuilder, which builds interfaces from an XML user interface (UI) definition. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tje API change, LibreOffice is moving to a new graphics stack. This is based on GtkBuilder, which builds interfaces from an XML user interface (UI) definition. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Caolán</title>
		<link>http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2013/01/24/converting-libreoffice-dialogs-to-ui-format-100-conversions-milestone/comment-page-1/#comment-224401</link>
		<dc:creator>Caolán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re &quot;vertical/horizontal buttons&quot;. Yes, this is a rather odd situation. My rule of thumb is that the new dialogs stay the same as the old dialogs in terms or orientation on initial conversion. If they get re-worked then they can be reoriented with three clicks in glade.

The examples in the wiki are rather old unfortunately, only the &quot;title page&quot; dialog is what you see in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;daily&lt;/a&gt;. I like to think that the reality is better now than those screenshots, now that we&#039;re getting the hang of reusing the GNOME HIG guidelines. At the bottom of &lt;a href=&quot;https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/WidgetLayout&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the widget layout wiki&lt;/a&gt; you can see the current outstanding candidates for review in terms of best spacing and positioning, etc.

Super-dooper easy hack for anyone with 20 minutes to spare is to re-take screen shots of those dialogs with a master to show the contemporary layout. It&#039;s just a wiki, so no particular barriers to entry there.

In the real world case, that being the point of the exercise, anyone can &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.libreoffice.org/developers-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;git checkout libreoffice&lt;/a&gt; and point glade at any given offending dialog and fix it up without suffering the impossibility of the previous dialog description mechanism. No office restart required, just change the dialog in glade, save and relaunch the dialog in LibreOffice to see your changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re &#8220;vertical/horizontal buttons&#8221;. Yes, this is a rather odd situation. My rule of thumb is that the new dialogs stay the same as the old dialogs in terms or orientation on initial conversion. If they get re-worked then they can be reoriented with three clicks in glade.</p>
<p>The examples in the wiki are rather old unfortunately, only the &#8220;title page&#8221; dialog is what you see in a <a href="http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/" rel="nofollow">daily</a>. I like to think that the reality is better now than those screenshots, now that we&#8217;re getting the hang of reusing the GNOME HIG guidelines. At the bottom of <a href="https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/WidgetLayout" rel="nofollow">the widget layout wiki</a> you can see the current outstanding candidates for review in terms of best spacing and positioning, etc.</p>
<p>Super-dooper easy hack for anyone with 20 minutes to spare is to re-take screen shots of those dialogs with a master to show the contemporary layout. It&#8217;s just a wiki, so no particular barriers to entry there.</p>
<p>In the real world case, that being the point of the exercise, anyone can <a href="http://www.libreoffice.org/developers-2/" rel="nofollow">git checkout libreoffice</a> and point glade at any given offending dialog and fix it up without suffering the impossibility of the previous dialog description mechanism. No office restart required, just change the dialog in glade, save and relaunch the dialog in LibreOffice to see your changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Caolán</title>
		<link>http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2013/01/24/converting-libreoffice-dialogs-to-ui-format-100-conversions-milestone/comment-page-1/#comment-224399</link>
		<dc:creator>Caolán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re &quot;how many exist&quot;, a surprisingly hard question to answer. I&#039;ve decided to pick 300 as the number for now, to be revisited when we hit 300</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re &#8220;how many exist&#8221;, a surprisingly hard question to answer. I&#8217;ve decided to pick 300 as the number for now, to be revisited when we hit 300</p>
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		<title>By: FabriceV</title>
		<link>http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2013/01/24/converting-libreoffice-dialogs-to-ui-format-100-conversions-milestone/comment-page-1/#comment-224264</link>
		<dc:creator>FabriceV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 04:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looking at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/WidgetLayout

It seems that sometimes OK, CANCEL, HELP buttons are located by the right side or horizontally at the lower side. The presented new dialog boxes are not uniform and does not systematically correct old location.

The space between fields is also heterogeneous between the displayed examples. Furthermore vertical space is sometimes too low, and the old dialog box are much more readable.

Is there any rules or is it just do it, we&#039;ll see later to do the work again. I am a little bit surprise that examples are so worse, in fact !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looking at <a href="https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/WidgetLayout" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/WidgetLayout</a></p>
<p>It seems that sometimes OK, CANCEL, HELP buttons are located by the right side or horizontally at the lower side. The presented new dialog boxes are not uniform and does not systematically correct old location.</p>
<p>The space between fields is also heterogeneous between the displayed examples. Furthermore vertical space is sometimes too low, and the old dialog box are much more readable.</p>
<p>Is there any rules or is it just do it, we&#8217;ll see later to do the work again. I am a little bit surprise that examples are so worse, in fact !</p>
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		<title>By: Aldi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2013/01/24/converting-libreoffice-dialogs-to-ui-format-100-conversions-milestone/comment-page-1/#comment-218465</link>
		<dc:creator>Aldi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the WidgetLayout work. Just a quick question: How many dialogs/tabpages do exist in LibreOffice, approximately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the WidgetLayout work. Just a quick question: How many dialogs/tabpages do exist in LibreOffice, approximately?</p>
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		<title>By: ausserirdischegesund</title>
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		<dc:creator>ausserirdischegesund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a user who hated the dated and sometimes clumsy dialogs OO/LO has had for the longest time, I am so grateful for this rework, I cannot tell you how much. With the 4.0 release LO will make probably the hugest jump in UI consistency and elegance ever since the included desktop was ripped out. It really shows in so many places, and while the changes are not huge, and probably hardly noticeable to many people, on the whole this looks so new! 

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a user who hated the dated and sometimes clumsy dialogs OO/LO has had for the longest time, I am so grateful for this rework, I cannot tell you how much. With the 4.0 release LO will make probably the hugest jump in UI consistency and elegance ever since the included desktop was ripped out. It really shows in so many places, and while the changes are not huge, and probably hardly noticeable to many people, on the whole this looks so new! </p>
<p>Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Roth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2013/01/24/converting-libreoffice-dialogs-to-ui-format-100-conversions-milestone/comment-page-1/#comment-218279</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice tutorial, really concise and helpful. This way occasional devs like me can do something useful (possibly boring for a single person to do all the conversions). Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice tutorial, really concise and helpful. This way occasional devs like me can do something useful (possibly boring for a single person to do all the conversions). Thanks.</p>
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