Comments on: Small LibreOffice font dropdown list improvements http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/ babblings! Thu, 23 May 2013 11:27:22 +0100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Caolan http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-157952 Caolan Fri, 20 May 2011 09:15:18 +0000 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/?p=435#comment-157952 most recently used fonts are saved and stored on exit and restart now as well most recently used fonts are saved and stored on exit and restart now as well

]]> By: Caolan http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-157951 Caolan Fri, 20 May 2011 09:12:56 +0000 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/?p=435#comment-157951 Sounds like the kind of thing you should write a bug report about with all the detail needed to reproduce it. For the first point the code is in svtools/source/control/ctrlbox.cxx. We search for 0x7E41 as a prerequisite for supporting traditional chinese. So ideally a concrete example of a font which is misbehaving in the preview would be a good idea Sounds like the kind of thing you should write a bug report about with all the detail needed to reproduce it. For the first point the code is in svtools/source/control/ctrlbox.cxx. We search for 0x7E41 as a prerequisite for supporting traditional chinese. So ideally a concrete example of a font which is misbehaving in the preview would be a good idea

]]> By: Cheng-Chia Tseng http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-157304 Cheng-Chia Tseng Sat, 07 May 2011 13:15:49 +0000 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/?p=435#comment-157304 I am testing LibreOffice 3.4 beta 4 in Chinese (Traditional) Locale, the font dropdown list only supports "Simplified Chinese font" showing "?" on the right side, but not supports "Traditional Chinese font". Furthermore, LibreOffice now even choose "Microsoft YaHei ?" for Traditional Chinese locale in Windows (not sure for Linux). This is not a good thing for we Traditional Chinese users. We are forced to use "Simplified Chinese font" by default. If there are something we, Traditional Chinese users, can help with this process, please contact me directly. I am testing LibreOffice 3.4 beta 4 in Chinese (Traditional) Locale, the font dropdown list only supports “Simplified Chinese font” showing “?” on the right side, but not supports “Traditional Chinese font”.

Furthermore, LibreOffice now even choose “Microsoft YaHei ?” for Traditional Chinese locale in Windows (not sure for Linux). This is not a good thing for we Traditional Chinese users. We are forced to use “Simplified Chinese font” by default.

If there are something we, Traditional Chinese users, can help with this process, please contact me directly.

]]> By: Caolan http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-156350 Caolan Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:01:35 +0000 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/?p=435#comment-156350 There is an issue of availability of space of course, Clearly its not possible to ram everything in the small bit of space currently available. But it's plausible to e.g. have an extended preview tooltip or expanded submenu with some script specific samples in it to preview the various gotchas like you describe. I'm prefer not have have customized ones, well at least not customize-able through menus anyway, but rather good pre-canned per-script ones. So seeing as you suggest you'd use it for CJK, how about drawing us a picture of something that would be useful for you and stick it up somewhere as your dream font-preview widget for consideration (and a utf-8 text of the chars used) As it stands, I'm not entirely sure about the current small CJK previews we're using to know if they're helpful or not. There is an issue of availability of space of course, Clearly its not possible to ram everything in the small bit of space currently available. But it’s plausible to e.g. have an extended preview tooltip or expanded submenu with some script specific samples in it to preview the various gotchas like you describe. I’m prefer not have have customized ones, well at least not customize-able through menus anyway, but rather good pre-canned per-script ones. So seeing as you suggest you’d use it for CJK, how about drawing us a picture of something that would be useful for you and stick it up somewhere as your dream font-preview widget for consideration (and a utf-8 text of the chars used)

As it stands, I’m not entirely sure about the current small CJK previews we’re using to know if they’re helpful or not.

]]> By: JK http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-156329 JK Sat, 16 Apr 2011 02:25:43 +0000 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/?p=435#comment-156329 Having sample glyphs is super useful. Thank you so much! Two suggestions: 1. It would be even more useful if there were a way for the individual user to customise their sample glyphs to be displayed. For example, instead of a word meaning “alphabet”, a user might want to choose something that shows how well this particular font handles common legibility issues such as “0” vs. “O” or “1” vs. “l” vs “I”, to give an example from Latin. I’m sure there are similar issues in most scripts of the world. I would use this for CJK. 2. The “1·l·I” example shows that this new feature, coupled with the customizability of sample glyphs, can also be useful for Western fonts. I’m not saying it should be the default but it would be nice to have it. As another example, a user might be looking for fonts that support lowercase numerals. Having sample glyphs is super useful. Thank you so much!
Two suggestions:
1. It would be even more useful if there were a way for the individual user to customise their sample glyphs to be displayed. For example, instead of a word meaning “alphabet”, a user might want to choose something that shows how well this particular font handles common legibility issues such as “0” vs. “O” or “1” vs. “l” vs “I”, to give an example from Latin. I’m sure there are similar issues in most scripts of the world. I would use this for CJK.
2. The “1·l·I” example shows that this new feature, coupled with the customizability of sample glyphs, can also be useful for Western fonts. I’m not saying it should be the default but it would be nice to have it. As another example, a user might be looking for fonts that support lowercase numerals.

]]> By: Caolan http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-155631 Caolan Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:18:51 +0000 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/?p=435#comment-155631 You can find the code in svtools/source/control/ctrlbox.cxx You can find the code in svtools/source/control/ctrlbox.cxx

]]> By: Gorsh http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-155622 Gorsh Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:09:44 +0000 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/?p=435#comment-155622 Please please please implement the widget proposed-linked by Olivier up there. Please please please implement the widget proposed-linked by Olivier up there.

]]> By: Caolan http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-153084 Caolan Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:34:15 +0000 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/?p=435#comment-153084 Yes, the major difference I guess is the lack of classification in the current one. Currently I've taken a fontconfig sort of approach and decided that e.g. a font with a GSUB/GPOS table for "arab" and nothing else (outside of latn) is an "font tuned for Arabic" and show some Arabic script preview, and so on for other fonts. That's the sort of "messy" bit which makes the classification thing potentially problematic. I really love the floating preview bit of the proposal. Collecting pangrams/representative sentences for various languages/scripts would be kind of fun there. Yes, the major difference I guess is the lack of classification in the current one. Currently I’ve taken a fontconfig sort of approach and decided that e.g. a font with a GSUB/GPOS table for “arab” and nothing else (outside of latn) is an “font tuned for Arabic” and show some Arabic script preview, and so on for other fonts. That’s the sort of “messy” bit which makes the classification thing potentially problematic.

I really love the floating preview bit of the proposal. Collecting pangrams/representative sentences for various languages/scripts would be kind of fun there.

]]> By: Olivier Mengué http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-153071 Olivier Mengué Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:47:37 +0000 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/?p=435#comment-153071 Are you aware of this great font widget design proposal? http://unifont.org/fontdialog/ Are you aware of this great font widget design proposal? http://unifont.org/fontdialog/

]]> By: aqualung2010 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2011/02/09/small-libreoffice-font-dropdown-list-improvements/comment-page-1/#comment-152753 aqualung2010 Sat, 12 Feb 2011 14:46:10 +0000 http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/?p=435#comment-152753 This is very nice. May I also respectfully point to my proposal here http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=116857 It was closed as a duplicate of Issue 15421 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=15421 but that Issue has been open since 2003 -- and no target date for a fix yet. Perhaps LibreOffice will take this on? This is very nice.

May I also respectfully point to my proposal here http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=116857

It was closed as a duplicate of Issue 15421 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=15421 but that Issue has been open since 2003 — and no target date for a fix yet.

Perhaps LibreOffice will take this on?

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